Joshu went to a hermit and asked, 'What is it? What is it?' The hermit thrust up his fist. Joshu said, 'Ships cannot anchor where the water is too shallow,' and left. He came to another hermit and asked, 'What is it? What is it?' This hermit also thrust up his fist. Joshu said, 'Well given, well taken, well killed, well saved,' and bowed.

Mumonkan, Case 31